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'''Father''' is a very inaccurate exotemperament that makes 3:4:5 equidistant, in other words equating 5/4 and 4/3 to a single "fourth-third" interval (which the name 'father' originates from). As a result, it serves as a simplification of 3:4:5-based ([[naiadic]]) harmony, in much the same way that [[Dicot (temperament)|dicot]] simplifies tertian harmony or [[semaphore]] simplifies chthonic harmony.  
'''Father''' (3 & 5) is a very inaccurate exotemperament that makes 3:4:5 equidistant, in other words equating 5/4 and 4/3 to a single "fourth-third" interval (which the name 'Father' originates from). As a result, it serves as a simplification of 3:4:5-based ([[naiadic]]) harmony, in much the same way that [[Dicot (temperament)|Dicot]] simplifies tertian harmony or [[Semaphore]] simplifies chthonic harmony.  


Due to tempering out such a large and simple interval as 16/15, there is no accurate tuning for father. One structurally justifiable tuning, somewhat equivalent to tuning dicot's 5/4 to a perfect neutral third, involves splitting a just 5/3 in half, resulting in a fourth-third of 442 cents (or a fifth-sixth of 758 cents). However, as with dicot, it is somewhat preferable to lean the tuning of the generator towards one of the two simple intervals it represents - as flat as about 400 cents to favor 5/4 (as in 3edo), or as sharp as about 480 cents to favor 4/3 (as in 5edo). Another notable tuning is the golden tuning, about 458 cents, which sets the logarithmic ratio of 4/3 and 3/2 to the golden ratio.
Due to tempering out such a large and simple interval as 16/15, there is no accurate tuning for Father. One structurally justifiable tuning, somewhat equivalent to tuning Dicot's 5/4 to a perfect neutral third, involves splitting a just 5/3 in half, resulting in a fourth-third of 442 cents (or a fifth-sixth of 758 cents). However, as with Dicot, it is somewhat preferable to lean the tuning of the generator towards one of the two simple intervals it represents - as flat as about 400 cents to favor 5/4 (as in 3edo), or as sharp as about 480 cents to favor 4/3 (as in 5edo). Another notable tuning is the golden tuning, about 458 cents, which sets the logarithmic ratio of 4/3 and 3/2 to the golden ratio.


In the 5-limit, due to equating two reduced prime (sub)harmonics, it is found in a number of small edos; the simplest edo join, 1 & 2, is an extension of father, meaning father can be arguably seen as the simplest 'real' 5-limit temperament. The edo join that gives the best impression of its tuning range is 3 & 5.
In the 5-limit, due to equating two reduced prime (sub)harmonics, it is found in a number of small edos; the simplest edo join, 1 & 2, is an extension of Father, meaning Father can be arguably seen as the simplest 'real' 5-limit temperament. The edo join that gives the best impression of its tuning range is 3 & 5.


Another point of interest in father is its moment-of-symmetry scales. It is likely that father was originally defined in order to give a simple JI interpretation to the [[oneirotonic]] scale, although there are also father tunings that generate [[checkertonic]].
Another point of interest in father is its moment-of-symmetry scales. It is likely that Father was originally defined in order to give a simple JI interpretation to the [[oneirotonic]] scale, although there are also Father tunings that generate [[checkertonic]].


== Extensions ==
== Extensions ==
3 & 5, in the 7-limit, produces ''mother'', which further equates the generator to 7/5.  
3 & 5, in the 7-limit, produces ''Mother'', which further equates the generator to 7/5.  


However, the perhaps more 'reasonable' extension structurally is to observe that 9/7 is the [[mediant]] of 5/4 and 4/3, and therefore equate the fourth-third to 9/7 as well, producing a [[trienstonian]] and [[sensamagic]] temperament. However, due to the [[tuning instability]] of 9/7, this is not supported by any patent vals besides 5.
However, the perhaps more 'reasonable' extension structurally is to observe that 9/7 is the [[mediant]] of 5/4 and 4/3, and therefore equate the fourth-third to 9/7 as well, producing a [[Trienstonian]] and [[Sensamagic]] temperament. However, due to the [[tuning instability]] of 9/7, this is not supported by any patent vals besides 5.


== Comparison to other temperaments ==
== Comparison to other temperaments ==
Father is distinct from temperaments such as [[blackwood]] (5 & 15), [[trienstonian]] (5 & 18), and [[fendo]] (5 & 7, 2.3.13/5) that equate other major thirds to 4/3 and that are generally more accurate. It is also distinct from more accurate [[oneirotonic]] temperaments such as [[A-team]] that are not generated by 4/3, and from the temperament-agnostic [[Golden generator|golden tuning]].
Father is distinct from temperaments such as [[Blackwood]] (5 & 15), [[Trienstonian]] (5 & 18), and [[Fendo]] (5 & 7, 2.3.13/5) that equate other major thirds to 4/3 and that are generally more accurate. It is also distinct from more accurate [[oneirotonic]] temperaments such as [[A-Team]] that are not generated by 4/3, and from the temperament-agnostic [[Golden generator|golden tuning]].
 
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Father (3 & 5) is a very inaccurate exotemperament that makes 3:4:5 equidistant, in other words equating 5/4 and 4/3 to a single "fourth-third" interval (which the name 'Father' originates from). As a result, it serves as a simplification of 3:4:5-based (naiadic) harmony, in much the same way that Dicot simplifies tertian harmony or Semaphore simplifies chthonic harmony.

Due to tempering out such a large and simple interval as 16/15, there is no accurate tuning for Father. One structurally justifiable tuning, somewhat equivalent to tuning Dicot's 5/4 to a perfect neutral third, involves splitting a just 5/3 in half, resulting in a fourth-third of 442 cents (or a fifth-sixth of 758 cents). However, as with Dicot, it is somewhat preferable to lean the tuning of the generator towards one of the two simple intervals it represents - as flat as about 400 cents to favor 5/4 (as in 3edo), or as sharp as about 480 cents to favor 4/3 (as in 5edo). Another notable tuning is the golden tuning, about 458 cents, which sets the logarithmic ratio of 4/3 and 3/2 to the golden ratio.

In the 5-limit, due to equating two reduced prime (sub)harmonics, it is found in a number of small edos; the simplest edo join, 1 & 2, is an extension of Father, meaning Father can be arguably seen as the simplest 'real' 5-limit temperament. The edo join that gives the best impression of its tuning range is 3 & 5.

Another point of interest in father is its moment-of-symmetry scales. It is likely that Father was originally defined in order to give a simple JI interpretation to the oneirotonic scale, although there are also Father tunings that generate checkertonic.

Extensions

3 & 5, in the 7-limit, produces Mother, which further equates the generator to 7/5.

However, the perhaps more 'reasonable' extension structurally is to observe that 9/7 is the mediant of 5/4 and 4/3, and therefore equate the fourth-third to 9/7 as well, producing a Trienstonian and Sensamagic temperament. However, due to the tuning instability of 9/7, this is not supported by any patent vals besides 5.

Comparison to other temperaments

Father is distinct from temperaments such as Blackwood (5 & 15), Trienstonian (5 & 18), and Fendo (5 & 7, 2.3.13/5) that equate other major thirds to 4/3 and that are generally more accurate. It is also distinct from more accurate oneirotonic temperaments such as A-Team that are not generated by 4/3, and from the temperament-agnostic golden tuning.


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Rank-2
Acot Blackwood (1/5-octave) • Whitewood (1/7-octave) • Compton (1/12-octave)
Monocot MeantoneSchismicGentle-fifth temperamentsArchy
Complexity 2 Diaschismic (diploid monocot) • Pajara (diploid monocot) • Injera (diploid monocot) • Rastmatic (dicot) • Mohajira (dicot) • Intertridecimal (dicot) • Interseptimal (alpha-dicot)
Complexity 3 Augmented (triploid) • Misty (triploid) • Slendric (tricot) • Porcupine (omega-tricot)
Complexity 4 Diminished (tetraploid) • Tetracot (tetracot) • Buzzard (alpha-tetracot) • Squares (beta-tetracot) • Negri (omega-tetracot)
Complexity 5-6 Magic (alpha-pentacot) • Amity (gamma-pentacot) • Kleismic (alpha-hexacot) • Miracle (hexacot)
Higher complexity Orwell (alpha-heptacot) • Sensi (beta-heptacot) • Octacot (octacot) • Wurschmidt (beta-octacot) • Valentine (enneacot) • Ammonite (epsilon-enneacot) • Myna (beta-decacot) • Ennealimmal (enneaploid dicot)
Straddle-3 A-Team (alter-tricot) • Machine (alter-monocot)
No-3 Trismegistus (alpha-triseph) • Orgone (trimech) • Didacus (diseph)
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