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In non-Meantone tunings, attempting this comma pump results in the end point flatter by 81/80 relative to the starting point.
In non-Meantone tunings, attempting this comma pump results in the end point flatter by 81/80 relative to the starting point.
Here's a non-Meantone pump, a Porcupine (250/243) pump (^/v = 81/80 alteration):
C Ev G
-> Av C Ev Av (down 6/5)
-> Dv F Av (up 4/3)
-> Bb^ Db^^ F^ (down 6/5, Porcupine entails Dv = Db^^)
-> G Bb^ D G (down 6/5)
-> C Ev G (up 4/3)


There is some ambiguity in this term depending on whether the comma in question is tempered out or not. If the comma is tempered out the chord progression could be called a '''comma cycle'''.
There is some ambiguity in this term depending on whether the comma in question is tempered out or not. If the comma is tempered out the chord progression could be called a '''comma cycle'''.


Given a comma, a comma pump may be constructed by stacking root movements by basic intervals in the JI group in question to that comma. Reordering movements of a comma pump creates another valid comma pump.
Given a comma, a comma pump may be constructed by stacking root movements by basic intervals in the JI group in question to that comma. Reordering movements of a comma pump creates another valid comma pump.

Revision as of 22:32, 24 February 2026

An example of a comma pump: in 12edo, which tempers out 81/80, this progression returns to the starting note; in 15edo, which observes this comma, it does not.

A comma pump is a JI or tempered chord progression whose starting and ending points differ by a comma.

The I-vi-ii-V-I progression is a Meantone or 81/80 comma pump:

CEG
-> ACEA (down by 6/5)
-> DFA (up by 4/3)
-> GDGB (down by 3/2)
-> CEGC (up by 4/3)

In non-Meantone tunings, attempting this comma pump results in the end point flatter by 81/80 relative to the starting point.

Here's a non-Meantone pump, a Porcupine (250/243) pump (^/v = 81/80 alteration):

C Ev G
-> Av C Ev Av (down 6/5)
-> Dv F Av (up 4/3)
-> Bb^ Db^^ F^ (down 6/5, Porcupine entails Dv = Db^^)
-> G Bb^ D G (down 6/5)
-> C Ev G (up 4/3)

There is some ambiguity in this term depending on whether the comma in question is tempered out or not. If the comma is tempered out the chord progression could be called a comma cycle.

Given a comma, a comma pump may be constructed by stacking root movements by basic intervals in the JI group in question to that comma. Reordering movements of a comma pump creates another valid comma pump.