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32/27 | |+ | ||
!Interval | |||
An interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | !{{UserTag|SS|Vector|cebaff|Interval size}} | ||
!{{UserTag|SS|Vector|cebaff|Interval category}} | |||
3\12, representing 32/27 | !Quasi-diatonic | ||
!Just notation | |||
3\12, representing an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |- | ||
|32/27 | |||
3\12, in general | |class="prime19"|Pythagorean minor third | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12 | |class="prime19"|minor third | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is mapped as the third degree of a heptatonic scale | |- | ||
|An interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |||
Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, excluding Pythagorean intervals other than 32/27 | | - | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |''(out of scope)'' | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is a tempered version of an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |- | ||
|3\12, representing 32/27 | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic scale | |class="prime19"|MOSdiatonic minor third | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic MOS | |class="prime19"|minor third | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of a ternary (or greater) diatonic scale, even if it is not mapped to something inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |- | ||
|3\12, representing an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic scale | |class="prime19"|minor third | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic MOS | |''(out of scope)'' | ||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic, when mapped as 32/27 | |- | ||
|3\12, in general | |||
The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic, in general | |class="prime19"|minor third | ||
|3/12 | |||
The smaller version of the fourth degree of a decatonic scale | |''(out of scope)'' | ||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
The fourth degree of a dodecatonic scale | |- | ||
|Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12 | |||
The smaller version of the third degree of any scale | |class="prime19"|minor third | ||
|~3/12 | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is mapped as the third degree of a heptatonic scale | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|~3/12 | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, excluding Pythagorean intervals other than 32/27 | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|~3/12 | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|- | |||
|Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is a tempered version of an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic scale | |||
| - | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic MOS | |||
|class="prime19"|MOSdiatonic minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of a ternary (or greater) diatonic scale, even if it is not mapped to something inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | |||
| - | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic scale | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic MOS | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic, when mapped as 32/27 and tuned near 400c | |||
|major third | |||
|major third | |||
|major third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|- | |||
|The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic when tuned near 400c, in general | |||
|major third | |||
|major third | |||
|major third | |||
| ''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the fourth degree of a decatonic scale | |||
|class="prime19"|decatonic minor third | |||
|class="prime19"|minor third | |||
|minor fourth | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The fourth degree of a dodecatonic scale | |||
| - | |||
| class="prime19" |minor third | |||
|fourth | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The smaller version of the third degree of any scale | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
|minor 2-step | |||
| class="prime19" |minor third | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|- | |||
|The b3 degree | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|''(out of scope)'' | |||
|} | |||
== Miscellaneous disputes == | == Miscellaneous disputes == | ||
Latest revision as of 08:02, 28 October 2026
This page serves as a summary of the differences in terminology used by different composers. It is not an invitation to add fuel to these debates, rather it is a tool to ease communication.
Accidentals across notation systems
Formal commas
| Accidental | Vector | Ben Johnston | FJS | HEJI | Color | Sagittal | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Symbol | Symbol | Symbol | Phonetic coding | Symbol | Name | Phonetic coding | Symbol | ||
| 81/80 | Raise | 5-sharp | + | /5 | (An up arrow on a natural sign) | gu | g | 5-comma | pai | /| |
| Lower | 5-flat | - | 5 | (A down arrow on a natural sign) | yo | y | pao | \! | ||
| 64/63 | Raise | 7-sharp | (not used in BJ) | /7 | Γ | ru | r | 7-comma | tai | |) |
| Lower | 7-flat | 7 | L | zo | z | tao | !) | |||
General purpose
| Accidental | KISS | Diamond-MOS | Kite's ups and downs | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Symbol | Name | Symbol | Symbol | |||
| MOSchroma | Raise | # | am | & | (Not used in Kite) | |
| Lower | b | at | @ | |||
| Subchroma | Raise | (Not used in KISS) | (Not used in Diamond-MOS) | |||
| Lower | ||||||
| Edostep | Raise | |||||
| Lower | ||||||
Section heading
What counts as a minor third, how do people categorize the things that aren't, and how would they refer to other senses of 'minor third'?
TODO: make this into a table with different people's thoughts
| Interval | SS
Interval size |
SS
Interval category |
Quasi-diatonic | Just notation |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 32/27 | Pythagorean minor third | minor third | minor third | minor third |
| An interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | - | minor third | (out of scope) | minor third |
| 3\12, representing 32/27 | MOSdiatonic minor third | minor third | minor third | minor third |
| 3\12, representing an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) | minor third |
| 3\12, in general | minor third | 3/12 | (out of scope) | (out of scope) |
| Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12 | minor third | ~3/12 | (out of scope) | (out of scope) |
| Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is mapped as the third degree of a heptatonic scale | minor third | ~3/12 | (out of scope) | (out of scope) |
| Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, excluding Pythagorean intervals other than 32/27 | minor third | ~3/12 | (out of scope) | (out of scope) |
| Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) | minor third |
| Any interval in the vicinity of 3\12, provided it is a tempered version of an interval inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) | minor third |
| The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic scale | - | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the third degree of a JI-agnostic diatonic MOS | MOSdiatonic minor third | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the third degree of a ternary (or greater) diatonic scale, even if it is not mapped to something inflected by formal commas from 32/27 | - | minor third | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic scale | minor 2-step | minor 2-step | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the third degree of any heptatonic MOS | minor 2-step | minor 2-step | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic, when mapped as 32/27 and tuned near 400c | major third | major third | major third | minor third |
| The larger version of the third degree of antidiatonic when tuned near 400c, in general | major third | major third | major third | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the fourth degree of a decatonic scale | decatonic minor third | minor third | minor fourth | (out of scope) |
| The fourth degree of a dodecatonic scale | - | minor third | fourth | (out of scope) |
| The smaller version of the third degree of any scale | minor 2-step | minor 2-step | minor third | (out of scope) |
| The b3 degree | (out of scope) | (out of scope) | (out of scope) | (out of scope) |
