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== Rank-2 Temperaments ==
== Rank-2 Temperaments ==
 
{| class="wikitable"
[todo: table]
!Gens
! colspan="2" |DP
162.287¢
! colspan="2" |DS
243.180¢
! colspan="2" |DH
115.976¢
! colspan="2" |DW
210.145¢
! colspan="2" |DO
129.835¢
|-
| -14
|128
|728
|195
|795
|176
|776
|58
|658
|582
|1182
|-
| -13
|290
|890
|439
|1039
|292
|892
|268
|868
|112
|712
|-
| -12
|453
|1053
|82
|682
|408
|1008
|478
|1078
|242
|842
|-
| -11
|15
|615
|325
|925
|524
|1124
|88
|688
|372
|972
|-
| -10
|177
|777
|568
|1168
|40
|640
|299
|899
|502
|1102
|-
| -9
|339
|939
|211
|811
|156
|756
|509
|1109
|31
|631
|-
| -8
|502
|1102
|455
|1055
|272
|872
|119
|719
|161
|761
|-
| -7
|64
|664
|98
|698
|388
|988
|329
|929
|291
|891
|-
| -6
|226
|826
|341
|941
|504
|1104
|539
|1139
|421
|1021
|-
| -5
|389
|989
|584
|1184
|20
|620
|149
|749
|551
|1151
|-
| -4
|551
|1151
|227
|827
|136
|736
|359
|959
|81
|681
|-
| -3
|113
|713
|470
|1070
|252
|852
|570
|1170
|210
|810
|-
| -2
|275
|875
|114
|714
|368
|968
|180
|780
|340
|940
|-
| -1
|438
|1038
|357
|957
|484
|1084
|390
|990
|470
|1070
|-
|0
|0
|600
|0
|600
|0
|600
|0
|600
|0
|600
|-
|1
|162
|762
|243
|843
|116
|716
|210
|810
|130
|730
|-
|2
|325
|925
|486
|1086
|232
|832
|420
|1020
|260
|860
|-
|3
|487
|1087
|130
|730
|348
|948
|30
|630
|390
|990
|-
|4
|49
|649
|373
|973
|464
|1064
|241
|841
|519
|1119
|-
|5
|211
|811
|16
|616
|580
|1180
|451
|1051
|49
|649
|-
|6
|374
|974
|259
|859
|96
|696
|61
|661
|179
|779
|-
|7
|536
|1136
|502
|1102
|212
|812
|271
|871
|309
|909
|-
|8
|98
|698
|145
|745
|328
|928
|481
|1081
|439
|1039
|-
|9
|261
|861
|389
|989
|444
|1044
|91
|691
|569
|1169
|-
|10
|423
|1023
|32
|632
|560
|1160
|301
|901
|98
|698
|-
|11
|585
|1185
|275
|875
|76
|676
|512
|1112
|228
|828
|-
|12
|147
|747
|518
|1118
|192
|792
|122
|722
|358
|958
|-
|13
|310
|910
|161
|761
|308
|908
|332
|932
|488
|1088
|-
|14
|472
|1072
|405
|1005
|424
|1024
|542
|1142
|18
|618
|}


=== Diaschismic Porcupine ===
=== Diaschismic Porcupine ===
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[[Hemiseven]] may already be interpreted as straddle-3, but being a 5edo cluster temperament, all versions have a complex 5. This is fixed using Diaschismic with the 9 made by stacking the sharp 3 generator and the flatter 3.
[[Hemiseven]] may already be interpreted as straddle-3, but being a 5edo cluster temperament, all versions have a complex 5. This is fixed using Diaschismic with the 9 made by stacking the sharp 3 generator and the flatter 3.


Subgroup GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.<13.>13.<17.>17 || 0 6 1 -7 -2 2 -3 6 1; 115.976 ¢
Subgroup GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.<13.>13.<17.>17 || 0 6 1 -7 -2 2 -3 6 1; 115.976¢


=== Diaschismic whole-tone ===
=== Diaschismic whole-tone ===
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Some tunings of oneirotonic generate a slightly sharp 9/8 that is good for Diaschismic, providing an opportunity to tune 5 well besides A-team. In this case, neither of the straddled versions of 3 are diatonic. This allows the generator to correspond to a simple ratio, 13/7. The non-straddle version of this temperament is 2.9.5.7.11.13 28&46, which may be called '''Diaschismic Sensibeta''' after its 2.9.5.7 commas.
Some tunings of oneirotonic generate a slightly sharp 9/8 that is good for Diaschismic, providing an opportunity to tune 5 well besides A-team. In this case, neither of the straddled versions of 3 are diatonic. This allows the generator to correspond to a simple ratio, 13/7. The non-straddle version of this temperament is 2.9.5.7.11.13 28&46, which may be called '''Diaschismic Sensibeta''' after its 2.9.5.7 commas.


17-limit GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.11.13.<17.>17 || 0 -4 1 3 -11 -5 -12 -4 1; 129.835 ¢
17-limit GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.11.13.<17.>17 || 0 -4 1 3 -11 -5 -12 -4 1; 129.835¢
 
It is a straddle variant of Supersharp and Octokaidecal (using >3 as the canonical 3), which temper out 10/9 / (81/80) = 800/729, analogous to Mavila's 9/8 / (16/15) = 135/128.

Latest revision as of 05:59, 2 September 2026

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Diaschismic tempers out 2048/2025 = 2/((9/8)(5/4))^2. The subgroup is usually interpreted as 2.3.5, but 2.9.5 is also possible. This provides a great opportunity for straddling 3, where flat 3 (3/a in SRTT) and sharp 3 (3a) cancel out to make 9.

Pajara, Hedgehog, and Echidna are related temperaments, but they temper out 50/49, which damages 5 and 7. Straddling 3 allows both 2048/2025 and 64/63 a^-1 to be tempered out without doing this.

Straddle Diaschismic is the simplest temperament in this category. It is rank-3 and generated by the flat and sharp versions of 3. Of the Diaschismic extensions to the 7-limit:

  • Septimal Diaschismic tempers out 126/125, a 2.9.5.7 comma requiring no straddling because it has 9 rather than 3.
  • Pajara uses the sharp 3, tempering out 64/(3a*7) = 64/63 a^-1.

These both result in the same extension. And as in Diaschismic, the half-octave can be interpreted as 17/12, implying that 17 is straddled like 3. The final resulting SRTT subgroup is 2.3a.5.7.17a.a^2, where 3a/(a^2) = 3/a. This can be converted to standard RTT to avoid straddling, resulting in 2.9.5.7.11.289 22&30.

Much of what is useful here can be found in a rank-2 restriction, 2.3a.7.17a (the alteration a is redundant because sharp 3 and 17 are used with no straddling). 2.3.7.17 10&22 tempers out 64/63 and 289/288 and adds 17/14 to Archy, creating a useful symmetry between subminor/supermajor and supraminor/submajor chords.

Rank-2 Temperaments

Gens DP

162.287¢

DS

243.180¢

DH

115.976¢

DW

210.145¢

DO

129.835¢

-14 128 728 195 795 176 776 58 658 582 1182
-13 290 890 439 1039 292 892 268 868 112 712
-12 453 1053 82 682 408 1008 478 1078 242 842
-11 15 615 325 925 524 1124 88 688 372 972
-10 177 777 568 1168 40 640 299 899 502 1102
-9 339 939 211 811 156 756 509 1109 31 631
-8 502 1102 455 1055 272 872 119 719 161 761
-7 64 664 98 698 388 988 329 929 291 891
-6 226 826 341 941 504 1104 539 1139 421 1021
-5 389 989 584 1184 20 620 149 749 551 1151
-4 551 1151 227 827 136 736 359 959 81 681
-3 113 713 470 1070 252 852 570 1170 210 810
-2 275 875 114 714 368 968 180 780 340 940
-1 438 1038 357 957 484 1084 390 990 470 1070
0 0 600 0 600 0 600 0 600 0 600
1 162 762 243 843 116 716 210 810 130 730
2 325 925 486 1086 232 832 420 1020 260 860
3 487 1087 130 730 348 948 30 630 390 990
4 49 649 373 973 464 1064 241 841 519 1119
5 211 811 16 616 580 1180 451 1051 49 649
6 374 974 259 859 96 696 61 661 179 779
7 536 1136 502 1102 212 812 271 871 309 909
8 98 698 145 745 328 928 481 1081 439 1039
9 261 861 389 989 444 1044 91 691 569 1169
10 423 1023 32 632 560 1160 301 901 98 698
11 585 1185 275 875 76 676 512 1112 228 828
12 147 747 518 1118 192 792 122 722 358 958
13 310 910 161 761 308 908 332 932 488 1088
14 472 1072 405 1005 424 1024 542 1142 18 618

Diaschismic Porcupine

Diaschismic Porcupine tempers out 2048/2025 and 250/243 a^-5, the Porcupine comma with 3 replaced with 3a, as 3 is usually tuned quite sharp. Without straddling 3, only 22edo tempers out 2048/2025 and 250/243 in 2.3.5.

The simplest interpretation of the generator is 9/7, which also generates Hedgehog and Stearn. Straddle Diaschismic is equivalent to Stearn in the 2.9.7 subgroup, tempering out 118098/117649 = ((9/7)/(7/6)*(9/7))^2/2. This is an extremely efficient temperament.

Mappings of 5.7.11 are the same as Porcupine, and the Diaschismic mapping adds prime 17. 13 may be added using the Oceanfront mapping equating 81/64 a^4 to 13/10.

17-limit GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.11.13.<17.>17 || 0 8 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 8 -3; 162.287¢

One possible erac group resembling the 74edo tuning is 600 | 2.<3.>>3.>5.>7.11.>13.<17.>>17 || 0 8 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 8 -3. This focuses on approximating 9/5, 9/7, 17/5, 17/7, and 11/9 about equally well, with >17/14 equated to <11/9.

Diaschismic Semioceanfront

Diaschismic Semioceanfront has a generator of half of an Oceanfront fourth rather than a third. The generator is also equivalent to 13/8 due to the half-octave period.

17-limit GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.11.13.<17.>17 || 0 -2 -7 9 4 -15 1 -2 -7; 243.180¢

Diaschismic Hemiseven

Hemiseven may already be interpreted as straddle-3, but being a 5edo cluster temperament, all versions have a complex 5. This is fixed using Diaschismic with the 9 made by stacking the sharp 3 generator and the flatter 3.

Subgroup GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.<13.>13.<17.>17 || 0 6 1 -7 -2 2 -3 6 1; 115.976¢

Diaschismic whole-tone

Diaschismic whole-tone is a significant whole-tone scale containing the otonal triads 12:15:17 and 8:10:13. It can be written without straddling as 2.9.5.13.17/3 6&28, but the 3 can be separated in the same way as the other temperaments in this article.

Subgroup GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.13.<17.>17.23 || 0 9 -8 -1 4 9 -8 3; 210.145¢

It is related to Antikythera, but that temperament is 2.9.5.7 and once again tempers out 50/49 as it is specifically a subset of Pajara.

Diaschismic oneirotonic

Some tunings of oneirotonic generate a slightly sharp 9/8 that is good for Diaschismic, providing an opportunity to tune 5 well besides A-team. In this case, neither of the straddled versions of 3 are diatonic. This allows the generator to correspond to a simple ratio, 13/7. The non-straddle version of this temperament is 2.9.5.7.11.13 28&46, which may be called Diaschismic Sensibeta after its 2.9.5.7 commas.

17-limit GTO string: 600 | 2.<3.>3.5.7.11.13.<17.>17 || 0 -4 1 3 -11 -5 -12 -4 1; 129.835¢

It is a straddle variant of Supersharp and Octokaidecal (using >3 as the canonical 3), which temper out 10/9 / (81/80) = 800/729, analogous to Mavila's 9/8 / (16/15) = 135/128.