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22edo has no one perfectly obvious counterpart to the diatonic scale found in 12edo. Instead, there are two heptatonic scales with diatonic-like behavior, the Pythagorean diatonic and the zarlino diatonic. The distinction between the two diatonic scales arises from how the diatonic in 12edo is interpreted. 12edo's diatonic can be viewed as a simplification of 5-limit harmony, in which case 22edo, as a system that does not make the same simplifications, must make distinctions that 12edo does not. This gives rise to the distinction between the two sizes of whole tone, and the Zarlino diatonic of 4-3-2-4-3-4-2. Alternatively, one can choose to retain the MOS (moment of symmetry) structure of 12edo's diatonic, which yields the Pythagorean diatonic of 4-4-1-4-4-4-1.

== Pythagorean diatonic ==
This is the diatonic scale most directly analogous in structure to the 12edo diatonic, given its MOS form. Advantages of using it include the fact that all steps are what they appear to be - for example, D-G and G-C are both perfect fifths - and that it appears as a subset of the chain of fifths itself. One key difference is that the major and minor thirds do not get mapped to the expected 5-limit interpretations, but rather to the supermajor and subminor thirds of 22edo. This is good for septimal harmony, not so much for 5-limit harmony (to get 5-limit thirds, you have to go 9 steps up!). A downside, or more generally a significant awkwardness, to using this system is the fact that due to the minor second being so small, the chromatic semitone is massive - closer to a whole tone than a proper semitone (in fact, it is enharmonic to the small whole-tone used in the Zarlino system). This can make interval classifications somewhat unintuitive if ups and downs are not used - for instance, a pentamajor triad, 0-7-13, is C-D#-G (meaning that a third-sized interval is technically a second) - and in fact 22edo is the first edo other than 15edo (which is strange in its own right) to require ups and downs to notate all intervals without problems with intuition like this (Edos like 17 and 10 utilize semisharps and semiflats, which 22edo cannot use as it does not have neutral intervals.)

== Zarlino diatonic ==
A faithful way of representing the 5-limit diatonic structure in 22edo (which, unlike its just counterpart, keeps the 7-limit convenient to access) is to use 5/4 as the scale's major third, and likewise 5/3 and 15/8 as the major sixth and seventh respectively. The scale pattern for zarlino is 4-3-2-4-3-4-2. This encounters problems with existing familiarity with notation (for example, one of D-G and G-C must now be a flat 5th, called a "wolf fifth" and representing 16/11 as opposed to 3/2), however it does have one thing going for it: in 22edo in particular (and a family of edos including 15, 29, and 37), the interval which separates Pythagorean intervals from their 5-limit counterparts is the exact same as the interval separating 5-limit major and minor intervals. This means that, if # and b are used to represent this interval as an accidental, no additional accidentals are necessary. This is why the 3-step interval is a "pentamajor second" along with being a chromatic semitone.

== Decatonic solutions ==
One way to resolve the issue is to ditch diatonic entirely, and instead use another scale as your base set of notes, which functions somewhat like, or is derived from, diatonic. These scales usually have more notes to account for the greater harmonic complexity of 22edo compared to 12edo.

=== Pajara ===
Note that the 1-step interval which serves as the 3-limit diatonic semitone is the very same as the 5-limit chromatic semitone, and that the 3-step interval serving as the 3-limit chromatic semitone also happens to map to a certain kind of large 5-limit diatonic semitone (such that it and the chromatic semitone stack to the 4-step whole tone). This suggests that if there was a way to swap the diatonic and chromatic semitones, we could faithfully represent the full 7-limit, including 5.

And as it turns out, there is a way to do that. We start with the pentatonic scale, not only because it's closer to even but because the interval between its small and large steps is exactly the 1-step interval we want to function as our chroma. Then, we add another pentatonic scale that is offset by a tritone from the first one. This results in the decatonic "pajara" scale (3-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2), where every note has a corresponding note a tritone apart. It solves the problem of representing intervals of both 5 and 7 by introducing three new ordinal classes to provide space for 7-limit intervals to fit on their own degrees of the scale. That way, 7/4 isn't a subminor seventh, it's a major version of the pajara 8-step. One can even define a notation system for pajara, wherein the notes are numbered 0-9 and # and b represent alterations by a single step. Pajara retains the property where most notes have a fifth over them.

To extend to the 11-limit, pajara[12] (1-2-2-2-2-2-1-2-2-2-2-2) can be easily used, which has the same number of notes as 12edo's chromatic scale, but with two of the semitones from 12edo replaced with quartertones. This gives major and minor thirds separate interval categories (allowing both to be played on certain scale degrees), and the 11th harmonic can be found as the major 5-step.

=== Blackdye ===
Blackdye is a rank-3 scale similar to zarlino diatonic, which attempts to compromise between zarlino and Pythagorean diatonic in a way, by including a few intervals from both at once. 22edo can do this because the difference between 3- and 5-limit intervals is exaggerated so much. Blackdye can be thought of as dividing each 4-step whole tone into a 3-step tone and a single step called an [[aberrisma]], which separates zarlino and Pythagorean intervals. The blackdye scale pattern is 3-1-3-2-3-1-3-1-3-2. The most useful way to use blackdye is to essentially treat it as multiple overlapping diatonics, which you modulate between based on necessity. You can somewhat see it as the 22edo counterpart of the two forms of B in old choir music, or of the raised seventh degree in the 12edo minor scale. The best notation for blackdye in 22edo in particular is just the same as the Zarlino diatonic notation, where a # or b represents an aberrisma as well as a chromatic semitone. (In the general case, you'd notate the aberrisma with a + or - sign.)

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